I think Im going to sell one and go with bolt action. I get frustrated with the every rifle must be short and light and look as much like an AR as possible crowd. Viewed together, the .308 looks like the 6.5s littler brother. I just picked one up used in 308 for $1000 as an impulse buy even though I was impatiently waiting for one in 6.5. This level of customization is only going to get better as this rifle gains market traction. My only complaint is with the magazine/magazine well. However, I formerly reloaded for .308 Winchest, .30-06, and .300 Win Mag, and I managed to come up with some good recipes for these calibers over the years. Couldnt close the bolt all the way so I couldnt fold stock and remove bolt to trouble shoot it. Ill have to run a comparison test myself, with Federal Gold 168, NATO 147 gr 7.62 & some Atomic match. After 84 years, the throat on my M38 worn, yet still shoots good. Send it my way Tom. TK, barrel will shoot-in over time, or shoot-out? The 35% less recoil of the 6.5 Grendel as compared to the 6.5 Creedmoor, or full power 6.555, is about the same or less than in my heavier 6.555 sporterized and glass bedded M38. Another a savage trophy hunter in 308, scoped with a Nikon 39. Match ammo might be competitively priced in the Creedmore but if someone new is getting into long range shooting theyd be better served with .308. Thats a short barrel for shooting off-hand, BTW. If Im in a situation where I have an issue exiting a vehicle fast with a bolt gun, Ive screwed up, big time, starting a long, long, loooong ways back up a decision chain, starting right around the point where I said Im going to involve myself in something that requires I exit a vehicle quickly with a bolt gun, because it sounds like fun!.. Ill swap the Ruger butt stock for a PRS so it feels as close to identical to my AR as it can. The time between receiving the presser for the Ruger Precision Rifle and pressing the send button on my email to my friends at Ruger begging, pleading, asking nicely for one could be measured in nanoseconds. Also includes: two, 10-round Magpul PMAG magazines. Screwing an aggressive brake to the front tamed a lot of this, and going back to the factory stock (that is attached to the AR-style buffer tube, allowing the rifle to accept any aftermarket AR-style stock) did as well. What did matter was hacking off a four-inch section of 4140 and cutting the aluminum handguard back a few inches. It could have easily been the opposite with the .308 the more accurate one. I am anticipating 4 or less at 350 yards. The rifle can fold its The best was copper creek 142 and winchester 140 match. c/o P.O. Letter: Advice on Oxygen and Moisture Absorbing Packets, Preparedness Notes for Monday January 6, 2020. Consequently, I have ordered a 6.5 Creedmoor barrel from Snipe Arms. The nice folks at Black Hills Ammunition have kept me in ammo for my articles for more than 27 years even during several ammo droughts, they still managed to get ammo into my hands for articles. Flatter shooting 123 grain Amax, and the SST has more than enough ballistic coefficient (.510), and the same ballistic coefficient, so they are interchangeable. 1.5 MOA at 300 yards is around 4.5 inches. Brass in the M38 lasts forever. However, it can get the job done. Web.308 Win with 1:10 RH twist, 20 in (51 cm) barrel, weighing 9.8 lb (4.4 kg) [3] 6mm Creedmoor with a 1:7.7 RH twist, 24 in (61 cm) barrel, weighing 10.8 lb (4.9 kg) [4] If I can persuade someone to make an extended rail (please, Ruger?) If the RPR cant get the same or better, its really not worth it. I handload the 143 grain eld-x hornady bullet and the rifle likes them a bit fast. Canadians used .303 Lee Enfields. WebModel Number: 18028 Caliber: 308 Win StockFolding, Adjustable Length of Pull and Comb Height FinishType III Black Hard-Coat Anodized Barrel Length20" BarrelCold Hammer-Forged, 5R Rifling Thread Pattern5/8"-24 Twist1:10" RH Grooves5 Weight9.8 lb. This problem is of course only amplified when you screw a silencer to the end of the barrel. But if youre already invested in .308, dont be scared off by these results. Makes me consider competition. ; wrench is stored in the bolt shroud. They are virtually identical, but the Creedmoor is a tad faster, and because it is a modern rifle, and sold as a precision rifle, and factory ammunition is tailored for accuracy at long ranges, the rifle will likely be more accurate straight out of the box. Ruger used a 15-inch handguard on the 6.5 and a 12.37 inch on the .308, so the difference is only 2.63 inches. This was magnified by the very rigid and not very soft A2 buttstock I slapped on for a lot of the testing that I did. I no longer have any 6.5 Swedes, but an old man can dream. It all makes for an interesting horse race. I am not a comp shooter just a guy learning how to shoot But everyone at the range was impressed I was impressed thats the best I have ever shot. $803.99 $729.99. Many parts changed. If a $1,000 Ruger Hawkeye performed like this, Id give it a brutal review. Im not humping a 13 pound rifle to chase deer and pigs, so this new Ruger is a welcome sight. Apparently, today this makes me guilty of several micro-aggressions which cause various feminists to erupt in paroxysms of mortal cranial flatulence, but I wont delve into the rathole of intellectual onanism surrounding trans vs. cis women just now. Long barrels are fine if they come with a corresponding increase in girth. This rifle is a great, economical, and very accurate tool. I never intended it to be a 1000yrd shooter. Free Targets and Target Tracker Shooting Logs! Ads are what helps us bring you premium content. If you ever decide to get into reloading, youll have plenty of quality brass left over, and reloading for 6.5 Creedmoor is very well understood at this point. A lot has to do with the ammunition, and all guns have their druthers some shoot great with green/yellow box hunting ammo, and some dont. I run these bullets in a 6.555 M38 at reduced speeds to match the calibration on a turret scope set up for a 7.62 NATO 168 grain trajectory. Ill take one in 308 and put the money I save toward a suppressor. Targets were set-up at 100 yards, and I did a lot of walking back and forth to check my targets no spotting scope. Its all over the place at that range. Sub-2 MOA accuracy at 500 yards is still fitting five bullets inside the vital zone of anything on four legs that can feed a family of four, and well within the confines of a 10-inch diameter circle. While the 6.5 is obviously more accurate, its heavier and more unwieldy to maneuver out of and around vehicles and barricades, where I spend the majority of my time shooting. I think most of these folks have not shot a variety of full-powered rifles extensively. For example the newer 6.5mm 150 grain Serria BTHP can be run out a .260 Remingtion at 2,697 fps. The barrel is capped with The good news is that the Ruger Precision Rifle only retails for $1,500. Some gave me groups a little bigger, and some groups ever smaller but not by much. These new ELD bullets have MUCH better physical characteristics than the 168 gr. First, lets use some common sense here: Unless youre in a situation where you need to exit a vehicle fast, under fire, and you have to dance with thems that brought you, theres no reason to use un-assing yourself from a car as a criterion for barrel length on a bolt action rifle. Ive loaded some of the new Hornady ELD Match bullets (208 gr). The Ruger SFAR (Small Frame Autoloading Rifle) cracked the code on producing an AR-10 that's as light as an AR-15. Im now seeing them priced closer to $700, and even if you find a screaming deal, you still need to get it to your door. I dont hear Ms. Weiss complain about weight or barrel length ever. They are OK up at 800 yds. Neither is it brush rifle or a truck gun. I think that gun looks really ugly, but youre opinion may vary. You can read the balance of the specs on the Ruger web site, however, needless to say, the rifle offers a lot of goodies for what it is. It is plenty for those ranges, and it will be flatter as a result. I spend far too much time in my local gun shop, checking out what is new and exciting, and what is used and priced right. Brand: Ruger. I like the Ruger Marksmanship Adjustable trigger, with a pull rating of 2.25-lbs to 5-pounds my sample came from the factory right at 3.25-lbs and I didnt see any need to adjust it any lighter, or heavier the pull weight was just perfect for my use. Thats a benefit, e.g.:http://www.scout.com/military/snipers-hide/story/1616372-sniper-s-hide-complete-ruger-upgrade-review. From their Black Hills Gold (hunting ammo) I had their 18-gr Barnes TSX, 168-gr Sierra TMK and their 175 grain Sierra TMK loads. My SR762 is surprisingly a bit more accurate than this rifle with 168 grain match ammo. I have an RPR Gen 3. Those hunting handloads are easily moa out of my R-25 and also out of a 16 custom barreled rifle I recently built. With very little training, you can sure make a head-shot on a human-sized target at 100-yards with this set-up. - For my part, I am amazed on the number of growed -up men who reluctantly approach my 03 Springfield like it was a Safari rifle. We have a gun that holds 10 rounds in the removable magazine. Pretty good for a girl who stands not quite 510 and weighs in at 120 lb. To me, thats a must for a true precision rifle. A suppressor (the trust route?) Thats a lot of firepower available if youre sniping or counter-sniping. WebA 308 Ruger Precision Riflescope should offer a high level of precision, reliability, and versatility. Guess Im just older than most and have an appreciation for the past. A magnification range of 4-12 / 16x or 6-24x is ideal for long-range shooting, Lapping would help, but it would shorten the life of the barrel. Ruger has been producing some outstanding bolt-action hunting rifles for as long as I can remember and Im old, real old so I can remember a long time back. Theres a lot to like about the RPR, and there is about a page and a half of specs on this, but Ill only cover \a few key specs. I consider myself an average or novice shooter. Had to go buy a large expensive gun case to return to ruger couldnt fold stock to get it back in factory box. WebRuger M77-GS 308 Gunsite Scout Rifle with Threaded Barrel. Youll also need to go get at least two magazines, and at the time this published, AICS mags were running $80/per. But I still did very well, all things considered. So if you get one thats a mediocre shooter, you can go to a premium barrel for several hundred dollars instead of the $1,000-$1,500 it might cost to rebarrel a 700 (Im including blueprinting). THe Ruger Precision Rifle, Purpose Built to Distance Itself from the Typical Long-Range Rifle. I borrowed a hi-end scope to mount on the Ruger Precision Rifle, because I wanted to squeeze all the accuracy out of this gun as I possibly could. Id guess that theres a small advantage to a long barrel in consistent velocities, but only if the girth is thickened to retain the same degree of rigidity. Hi Paul, Further than that the higher BC of the 6.5 gives it more velocity, flatter trajectory, lower TOF, and less drift. However, it was at least vindicating to see that both guns had cheek rests with some flex. Of course, well-trained military snipers have been known to take out a target as far away as a mile, but those are not the usual distances. The first thing I do is to remove the factory supplied muzzle breaks and install an A2 type flash hider.not nearly the muzzle blast. The barrel is 110 twist which I found shoots consistent groups with Fed 168 grain Open Tip Match ammo which performed well as did the Fed 175 grain Gold Match. The barrel length on a competition .22, which has to be shot standing off-hand (as well as sitting, kneeling and prone) is over 24 inches. They really shine with 3x the barrel life in a magnum rifle and you also gain some corrosion resistance. Think theyd ever release a 20 SR762 in a configuration like this? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Call Rugers customer support with the serial number of your RPR and theyll send to you. Notify Me When Available. Was hoping to hear good things about this rifle as it has so many features I like, but it looks as though a heavy barreled Savage or Weatherby will out shine what is otherwise an impressive rifle. Shooting a thousand rounds would do the same thing. Damn kids. The next email was to the rest of the crew at TTAG to say, Back off! When I finish moving back to North Carolina from California, its getting surpassed. I did notice upon cleaning the 6.5 and the .308 back to back that the .308 seemed to have quite a bit more carbon and copper fouling after a fairly similar round count. The 6.555 is the smarter choice in a sufficient environment, yet the popular 6.5 Creedmoor is well supported making, it easy for folks to get into the long range game. WRT the RPRs rattling safety selector, Ruger now has a free fix for it a spring that takes about a minute to install and solves the problem. $1,039.00 $989.99. In the right hands, a 100 year old M96, or the M38 with the 23.8 good barrel can use the same bullets loaded with RL22 power, and will perform just as well, or almost as well, or perhaps better. A sniper rifle is a rifle used by a sniper it is not a specific type or caliber. The first being that this particular RPR in .308 just didnt seem to be as accurate as the 6.5 that I tested (more speculation on that later). I would love to have that rifle. And the blast is a non-starter. WebRuger Precision Rifles (regardless of caliber) that have an aluminum bolt shroud and fall within the following serial number ranges are potentially affected: 1800-26274 to 1800-78345 or 1801-00506 to 1801-30461. The best also being about a .4 MOA. What ever happened to Josh Wayner? It averaged about a .55 MOA with match grade factory ammo for the first 800 rounds through it. It now reaches more than 320,000 unique visitors weekly. Blindfolded, I could still pick out the difference between the 6.5 and the .308 based purely off heft. Brand new you can still find them on sale for under $700. That said, if youre looking to put lead down range accurately, heres a general guideline for matching The evaluation gun provided by angle accuracy, Im just curious why the .308 is twice as worse in accuracy. Accuracy was so bad after I bought it I sent it back to Ruger. http://www.tcsa.org Tri-Cities Shootiing Association. Beginners can buy one of these and do the range time they need to gain some measure of proficiency while shooting out the factory barrel. The scaling seems to work quite well, and if youre so inclined, you can even stick a KeyMod grip stop to the end of the gun, C-clamp it like Costa, and work that oversized bolt handle like a madman. Ive tested all sorts of handloads and factory loads. I have become a big fan of nitrided barrels from Criterion, a spinoff of Krieger. I dont know about everyone else on this blog but 3 different rifle calibers of the same rifle with THREE different barrel lengths!? I also know competitive shooters still use long barrels, and the real tack driver rifles always still seem to have long barrels. I forgot to say that I used 7.62 ammo. A little over 2-2.5 off-hand. Oh, BTW, my first time reading TTAG, I like it. The rest of the gun is identical down to the trigger, and the slight rattle from the safety selector. all day long. POOR service in anyones opinion. Get the firepower necessary to survive in restrictive states! God speed and happy shooting SIr. One gentleman suggested that a simple recrowning might fix some of the issues I saw, and frankly, its possible that a good cleaning would help. I am an average shooter and I have never shot worse than .75 with the 6.5 RPR. I just think he deserves more credit for what he did to influence the industry. Accu-trigger and Accu-stock. I have since re-barreled it(26LRI) and can only get it down to a .42 MOA with an average of about .6. Most sniping takes place at well under 500-yards. Lets hope so I dont know anyone who wants to take another persons life for no good reason. Overall, I was very pleased and expect to get the accuracy sorted out on this rifle. Folded Length: 31.60". I picket up that Savage used for $450 and it out-shoots the $1,200 RPR all day long with sub MOA performance. . More than likely, it was sold, when we needed some fast cash, after being newly married. If it can fill next year's elk tags and provide entertainment out to 500-800yrds(which in 60+ years I've never done) I'll be content. Otherwise, not every barrel is going to come off the line with the same accuracy, especially before theyve been worn in. Im sure this will ruffle a lot of feathers, but here goes: Just about any rifle and even some scoped handguns can be used as sniper guns. I have one of the earlier .308 RPRs S/N 4XXX. That guy did more for barrel length arguments than anyone ever. is a much better option.